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for him but to get to the point this by the way is our third panel on gay rights in russia but that's beyond the point kurtz came on to r.t. to let us know what he thinks about our coverage or lack thereof of gay rights in russia and this is what happened you know being here on a kremlin funded propaganda network i'm going to wear my gay pride suspenders i'm going to speak out what about bradley manning plus time because you know i don't i'm not really interested in talking about bradley manning i've been talking about being a riff environment of homophobia in russia right now and to let the russian gay people know that they have they have friends and allies all right saying those aren't just about. thank you. i only go on that station with the russians so i don't want to waste too much time my critic we did invite him to speak tonight he denied saying that he said in interviews around the world after this event that r.t. is not a legitimate news channel that he just believes it would be supporting putin and his mouthpiece and that he won't participate in discussions on our network to give
it credibility but i think that we should not spend too much time talking about kirk and talk about the real issues absolutely we've invited peter tatchell who is with us now in london with regard to the end to gay law what it's basically says is that any information that makes homosexuality sound attractive or interesting or which says that homosexuality or heterosexuality is equally valid is illegal if a person under eighteen might witness it might witnesses and we know of at least two instances where people in russia have displayed signs saying things like homosexuality is normal and being arrested why shouldn't young people under eighteen know the facts of homosexuality and same sex love some of the moves. or if not they will drop to no gay people they should know the facts the truth not about sex but about love between people of the same gender you quite rightly point to homophobic violence in russia but of course it's not just
a problem here in the country i just like to give you some statistics about the problems elsewhere around the world in the u.s. for example sexual orientation ranks as the third highest motivator for hate crime incidents after race based on religion based attacks in new york alone and to gay crimes rose seventy percent this year according to local police let's look at the u.k. ninety eight homophobic and transfer crimes recorded each week across britain and compared to other types of hate crime the proportion of and to get taxes on the rise to now of course the statistics in this piece is already highlighted the situation isn't good in this country we have to admit that but your report a somewhat mixed report suggests that. there is a vibrant gay community here but is it dangerous to be gay. that's very very difficult to give because in some ways i've lived here for eight years i had no trouble whatsoever many people could say well of course martin you live in an ex-pat bubble in a privileged lifestyle you're here but having traveled through seventy five regions
of russia with much of a sure way for a few years ago i visited gay clubs all throughout russia so of course there's violence happening there but it's for people to you know get the details wrong about what you know culturally socially stifel nicolaus would you agree you're going to go in russia what's your experience fighting for your rights i'm just fighting for human rights i have been doing this for eight years and what what is happening is just that i think activists in the west are just not listening to what we're saying here they are working to because of the vote because they want to because of the olympic games they want to do something by their own things but they never listen to the organizations and you're going to zation here in this country and what we're saying is that we have to do the olympic games in sochi we have to protest during this olympic games we have to raise this issues as much as possible during the olympic games and also the west have to do this during the olympic games there is no problem about this but why do we have to do it as a protest where you have to charge after that the russian people that their gay
people that they are responsible for. the disruption of these olympic games we are not responsible for these we're just fighting for our rights and why did this law come into effect look at the impact it's had on particularly on the people in russia and its reputation abroad and yet i mean and this last. point why i was brought in is because russia is traditional i'm not going to live russia has problems with homophobia but for me and what i want to ask actually nicholai is why russia why the focus around russia obviously in the problems you've been having and it's been going up and down on social media the picture that is painted in. the west is clearly very different that's why it's interesting to me where peter is getting these statistics that it's become worse that there's been attacks i mean have you read that i said it's very sad because of people on the left they try to. make it clear one feat is that there is a war which has a legal implications and there is
a law which was social implanted into their program that it was absolutely a tragedy and worse about the legal implications i can tell you this law is not that blind in practice the regional laws which are absolutely similar to the federal one are not applied and practice and the social consequences what's peter was saying i absolutely agree that these people who are doing these on the internet who are caressing young people who have to bruce have to be brought to justice and this is absolutely any find in any in any country of the world and can we say that this is because of this specific it can be a consequences of this law because these people are getting a kind of blank for their illegal things for their illegal actual same carte blanche that they have in australia with the gay panic law which no one is speaking about this is why is this about russia yeah you it makes that you're actually an actor about russia or russia is now in the world spotlight because there is olympic games coming because it's the way to the next a moment. to these topics obviously there is no other topic of human rights
violations that will make such headlines around the world and that's what this headline is i talk about peter's experience you're here in two thousand and seven do you think the sentiment is change the toll since you're here because you were actually punched and we got some video footage of it let's have a quick look of what happened to you when you came here here it is can i explain to you i was merely standing in the street speaking to journalists the police are allowed a mob of neo nazis and ultranationalist to walk through their lines and come and attack me what the film doesn't show is when i was dragged on the ground of being kicked and in fear of my life i was almost lost consciousness and the police just stood there and watched and then when i heard a good beating. the police arrested me and loud my attackers to walk free another year i was in moscow i simply held a sign saying gay rights i was grabbed off the street by the police and arrested and detained for hours in a police station much worse happens to russians beaten people much worse and we've
got to remember that this is not about western perspective this is about supporting the human rights of all russian people and it's not just about gay rights it's about the attacks on civil and human rights across all sections of russian society rather you want to cross reaction of these is. from the rest of the i mean you know most homophobia is rife in this country that is one hundred percent true what i find it culturally interesting is that what is the why is the focus on russia when there are seventy six countries around the world that you know how far west laws to death penalty etc and i get messages every single day from people saying how could you live in moscow the reality is that if two tourists or americans come to moscow they have compensated sense just like that one and then the other country they will be safe. but i think you have a can i just we're not seeing we're not singling out russia we're not singling out russia here in london just in the last you can i not see but they went through the
media is certainly is and i think i can tell you about some of his experiences that he's had with them not being interested. i mean i'm going to with the homophobia is rife in this country i absolutely agree also with your point of two americans leaving here and not expressing their sexual orientation openly will be absolutely safe in this country and all these things about the talks about homophobia in this country if they're not involved in the public good t.v. they're not involved in the l.g.b. activism they will be absolutely free in this country and. will not be have any problems but what i'm saying that. also the point is that absolutely true we don't have the freedom of. certainly this is not respected i mean we have lots of case of the european court of human rights on freedom of assembly and we won the case on the on the most pride is excellent absolutely if you. like most western media ok but just quickly my question tonight and i will not get an interview to western media outlets well i'm just telling you that i think that the whole picture is
absolutely exaggerated it's not what they report is absolutely not true what they're saying is that basically everyone is being killed on the streets here one of my sons i was little i mean i want to say i mean we i want what we want to say i'm here i mean i'm absolutely involved in all the public t.v. you know i probably want to i don't know not being rated by the police why am i not running a role why am i not now in new york why am i not now in london why am i here in moore school in your studio fighting for the rights and talking about iraq that's what i want to say absolutely and it's proof you hear and it's proof is very happy to talk about it now peter just quickly you said that you were targeting russia does that mean that you you don't agree with boycotting the olympics. absolutely boycott is not the right way that would punish us and of course many russian algebras asians have said they do not want to boycott to respect their wishes but we do believe that protests are necessary as they are against any and every
government in the world that violates human rights will they be human rights of gay people or other people. i want to see i want to see an alliance in russia between gay and straight russians to defend freedom of expression for russian peaceful people. the russian consul general you have russia and i have no idea where all that is trying to build their salience and. we they gaze opened the door of the european court for the public for the freedom of assembly of all the russian people on this issue there is no problem when they're going to russia well that's what you do there are seventy percent of people we have to change and we have to fight for the change of the public opinion we have to persuade the politicians to change their opinion and to educate the russian population this is very important and i am glad if you will have because i was reading in one of the moscow newspapers that that opinion here is so conservative this is very young country
only twenty years old it will take about fifteen years for it to a change its attitude if we didn't start it in two thousand and six it would never change if we didn't start this fight in two thousand and six we would not have the disease not the european court we would not have the un decision on one of the regional laws on gay propaganda we would not have many more cases that the european court what we want to do is find such a pride pride which will attract attention to those situation doesn't make the olympics about gay pride as opposed to about the athletes and then also doesn't that mean that western activists should be protesting the. world cup but i think what we really have run a time great to get all to go for thank you very much indeed. thank you all these martin andrews and isa now and peter tatchell really appreciate your time as well live in london thanks so much for joining in this debate and certainly lively debate a little earlier this week on the gay rights issue here in russia now the news continues here in just a few minutes stay with us. sigrid
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